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Pat N...Shame on Them, I Hope You Will Reconsider and Come Back, But If Not, Who Could Possibly Blame You?

Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:46 PM EST
hate-speech, not-news, cyberstalking, pat-n
By vol fan in chatt, tn
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Above is one of the most vile emails as I have ever witnessed on NV. I have received a few types of emails too, from those on the left, but this is the most reprehensible one I have ever had the displeasure of witnessing. I found the email sent to my good friend, Pat N, to be despicable, and beneath the decency of even the lowest form of animal life. Shame on whoever sent that... SHAME, SHAME, SHAME! Sadly, it appears that person, who is a part of the NV community, is so low as to be incapable of being shamed.  

Whatever the spectrum of political persuasion you are, this kind of vitriolic, hateful rhetoric is not only disgusting but it is also considered "hate speech" and "cyberstalking". I am appalled (but not surprised) that someone would stoop this low on NV. This is a new low for NV (and the arguing and questioning, even toward a guide, who had access to the NV logs, on that seed) is beyond comprehension.

According to the National Center for Vicitms of Crime:

Cyberstalkers target their victims through chat rooms, message boards, discussion forums, and e-mail. Cyberstalking takes many forms such as: threatening or obscene e-mail....Similar to stalking off-line, online stalking can be a terrifying experience for victims, placing them at risk of psychological trauma, and possible physical harm. Many cyberstalking situations do evolve into off-line stalking, and a victim may experience abusive and excessive phone calls, vandalism, threatening or obscene mail, trespassing, and physical assault.

http://www.ncvc.org/ncvc/main.aspx?dbName=DocumentViewer&DocumentID=32458

There are penalties for cyberstalking:

Recent federal law has addressed cyberstalking as well. The Violence Against Women Act, passed in 2000, made cyberstalking a part of the federal interstate stalking statute.

(Sourced above) and:

Federal law makes it a crime to "transmit in interstate commerce" (which includes the internet) a communication containing a threat to kidnap or physically harm someone.

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/harassment.html.

 

**I think "a lot of us have your email address now" and "take your _____or hear from us" should and would be considered a threat...and who exactly is the "US"?**

 

Additionally, it could be considered hate speech toward a "disabled person":

In crime and law, hate crimes (also known as bias-motivated crimes) occur when a perpetrator targets a victim because of his or her perceived membership in a certain social group, usually defined by racial group, religion, sexual orientation, disability, class, ethnicity,nationality, age, gender, gender identity, social status or political affiliation.[1]

A hate crime is a legal category used to described bias-motivated violence: "assault, injury, and murder on the basis of certain personal characteristics: different appearance, different color, different nationality, different language, different religion."[2]

"Hate crime" generally refers to criminal acts that are seen to have been motivated by bias against one or more of the types above, or of their derivatives. Incidents may involve physical assault, damage to property, bullying, harassment, verbal abuse or insults, or offensive graffiti or letters (hate mail).[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability_hate_crime

Is this what it has come to in America? Are the lines being drawn? Is this the end of civility when we can't even address people with some form of common decency? Is it so BAD in America (or our world, since I do not know the origin of that email) that we bully and disparage someone in such a vile manner because they disagree with us? Because they have a strong opinion? Because they ask someone to prove the facts of his case when he has been disproven? They disparage someone with a disability, and then use that disability as a battering ram? Good heavens, people. I have seen a lot of things on NV and something like this happened to Pat last year, but this is by far the worst incident I have ever witnessed in my 3+ years on NV. When a person resorts to that kind of disgusting hate speech and cyberstalking because they don't like someone, or what they stand for, or that they have backed a friend into a corner, that has gone too far...PERIOD!

You may not have agreed with Pat N, she was, after all, as tenacious and an excellent debater..and she could snark with the best of them!! She had friends of all stripes on NV and she was as genuine a person as you will ever meet...you didn't wonder about where she stood on issues.

If you ever read anything about her personal life (and I can't access it now), you would have seen that she came from a pretty rough upbringing, but in spite of that, or maybe because of that, she developed a fierce determination.  She made something of herself and became a very successful businesswoman. You would have known that it was difficult for her to type because of her Parkinson's (she gave me some really good advice for my brother who was diagnosed a couple of years ago with the same disease) and because of that, I always felt it an honor and privilege when she dropped by one of my seed because she always brought something to the table that I hadn't thought of, a different perspective, and knowing that a lengthy reply would require some effort. You would also have known that she has a daughter who is in the military and has a passion for our troops and that her efforts on NV went beyond the political...but some of you wouldn't have known that because all you saw was that she was"the enemy" or different than you, that she came from a different political stripe than you...and that is all you cared to see. Shame on you.

She brought a lot to NV and she will be missed. I don't blame her though...you can only stand so much and cyberstalking and hate speech might have done the same for me. I hope that if she happens to see this somehow, that Pat will reconsider her involvement on NV, because bullies should never be allowed to win; but again, I would understand her reluctance to do so. I also hope that Pat N pursues legal action against the person who sent this email...ISP's are easily traced... and I hope NV will pursue the person who sent this to her and that they will be banned. This is certainly NOT the kind of person who abides by the "spirit of NV", now, is it?

Pat, wherever you are, good luck and Godspeed. And here's a little song I hear for the first time tonight...it kinda reminded me of you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmKsCMgROCQ

God bless!

NOTE: Do not bring the drama of the other article over here. This is NOT about that...this is about a bully who sent a threatening email to another viner and forced Pat N to feel the need to close her account. You may feel free to address the person who did that, as they are apart of NV apparently, or if there is something you wish to say to Pat or about Pat that is not more of the same, feel free but any continuing drama from the other seed will be deleted. You have been warned.

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vol fan in chatt, tn

I reiterate my note:

NOTE: Do not bring the drama of the other article over here. This is NOT about that...this is about a bully who sent a threatening email to another viner and forced Pat N to feel the need to close her account. You may feel free to address the person who did that, as they are a part of NV apparently, or if there is something you wish to say to Pat or about Pat that is not more of the same, feel free but any continuing drama from the other seed will be deleted. You have been warned.

Mind the COH and the "spirit of the Vine".

  • 38 votes
#1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:49 PM EST
Runner99

The person who wrote that needs more than therapy.

  • 40 votes
#1.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:54 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

I agree...like I said I have NEVER, NEVER in all my time here on NV seen something as vile as that..and like I said this person:

beneath the decency of even the lowest form of animal life. Shame on whoever sent that... SHAME, SHAME, SHAME! Sadly, it appears that person, who is a part of the NV community, is so low as to be incapable of being shamed.

I am still disgusted about the whole thing!!

  • 31 votes
#1.2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:59 PM EST
Elaine-1503791

I'm hoping to see whoever wrote that get banned from NV today! What a disgusting creep.

Pat......please come back! I understand why you left and I probably would have too, but don't let him or her win. Report them to the police, they'll be arrested under cyberstalking laws....and tell the NV mods so they can ban the person.

Vol Fan, thank you for writing this. I have been upset since yesterday when I read that and I needed a place to come say how I feel and ask Pat to please come back to NV.

  • 34 votes
#1.3 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:15 PM EST
lib50

I think the email was terrible. I don't agree with PatN very often, but that email was way out of line and the writer should be banned.

  • 35 votes
#1.4 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:56 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

Thank you, lib50, I agree...

  • 25 votes
#1.5 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:17 PM EST
JACK DEATH

So this email is why she bailed from NV?

  • 16 votes
#1.6 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:17 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

Yes, as I would be tempted maybe do also...there's bigger things in life than a blog site...one is safety, and secondly, not being hounded by a deranged individual who is sadistic enough to say the disgusting things they said....

  • 25 votes
#1.7 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:25 PM EST
JACK DEATH

Why did she not change the email address and hide it? Seems very simple to do.

  • 12 votes
#1.8 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:32 PM EST
Runner99

Kinda like closing the gate after the horses are out. The e-mail was disgusting and would affect anyone. There is no justification for it at all, and no way to erase the memory of it. It's not a simple matter, and I hope she does contact the authorities. This idiot needs to be busted.

  • 29 votes
#1.9 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:37 PM EST
menmy2

I was wondering where Pat went...I don't blame her for leaving. How incredibly @!$%#ed up. :(

  • 18 votes
#1.10 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:59 PM EST
ERich-356044

That is terrible!!

Whoever wrote this email should be banned, and yes, it is cyberstalking. I have never agreed with Pat N but she was a classy lady and was strong enough to face all the liberals here with grace and class. I do hope she comes back! I

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  • 28 votes
#1.11 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:18 PM EST
menmy2

This has happened to Pat before...I don't know the details, but if I recall correctly, someone had contacted her employer raising hell because they didn't like some comments she made on NV. This was brought up on another article where THAT author was bragging about contacting another Viner's employer in an attempt to get them fired. Go friggin' figure.

I disagreed with a lot of what Pat said, but she was one of my Vine buddies and does not deserve this kind of crap.

  • 21 votes
#1.12 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:37 PM EST
Silvaria

As a liberal I almost -never- agree with Pat, but no one deserves that crap. We're supposed to be adults here, not asinine, angry children.

Shame on whomever wrote that.

  • 37 votes
#1.13 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:55 PM EST
Jake-991574

This is shameful. Not only does Newsvine need to root this out; when discovered, the perp needs to be handed over to authorities. Being the fine Libby that I am here on Newsvine I probably never agreed with Pat N. I know she was a prolific writer and I had plenty of ops to reply to her. However this cyber stalking crap IMO is criminal. If she reads this: please Pat N don't let a bully deny you of your free speech it hurts all of us.

  • 22 votes
#1.14 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:30 PM EST
hard2port

I never agreed with PatN on anything, but she was the only__— I had any measurable degree of respect for on NV.

  • 17 votes
#1.15 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:30 PM EST
jen-793050

Wow, just wow. That email is disgusting. I don't care what your politic persuasion is...that was so uncalled for. Pat N. hope you come back...even though I don't agree with your politics, don't let this email keep you away. Peace.

  • 17 votes
#1.16 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:32 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

I am hurt, hard2port...none for me??? :(

J/K...

  • 15 votes
#1.17 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:46 PM EST
formerstew

To know that the person capable of writing that email is walking among us makes me sick.

  • 17 votes
#1.18 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:09 PM EST
Arkansas Gloria

The writer of that e-mail should be banned; should not be allowed back under any name. There is no excuse for this type of behavior when we are debating anything! Thinking differently IS ALLOWED (so far) in America, and Newsvine would not condone this either! They would lose all their following in a heartbeat! Good article, Vol fan-thanks.

  • 22 votes
#1.19 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:26 PM EST
Summer-1597193

Wow, that's horrible. Pat and I rarely agreed on things - however, I count her amongst my friends. She's actually a very kind person - and in no way deserves this sort of e-mail. I truly hope she rejoins us here and the person that sent that e-mail is banned.

  • 14 votes
#1.20 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:42 PM EST
AZPADDYDeleted
Ian F Walter

Ok....has it occured to anyone here that the incredibly offensive e-mail could be a ruse?

AZpaddy: With respect, please don't speculate like that. It's not the time or the place. Pat's friends deserve to lament her leaving without speculation like this.

Please. She has friends. They are angry. Now is not the time.

  • 20 votes
#1.22 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:40 PM EST
MJL-3

AZ

Email coming to you :)

  • 11 votes
#1.23 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:44 PM EST
greg-709692

AZPADDY, people will and do send emails like that. I had an uber death threat email awhile back and NV caught the person who did it after i sent them the info from the email. i even did an article about it and posted the sick email.

  • 23 votes
#1.24 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:47 PM EST
MJL-3

wrong place , sorry

  • 12 votes
#1.25 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:55 PM EST
greg-709692

Hahahahaha !!!!!

  • 15 votes
#1.26 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:56 PM EST
mrsrachelmExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Take it somewhere else AZ. I know how you are. I know how you operate. Knock it off. THIS is not the article for your pot stirring.

  • 34 votes
#1.27 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:13 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

AZ, deleted...come on.

  • 18 votes
#1.28 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:21 PM EST
Shannoscubie

mrsrachelm, I answered your email.

  • 9 votes
#1.29 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:30 PM EST
Ian F Walter

vol, please feel free to delete my response to az, since I quoted the comment. No worries whatsoever. By all means, moderate like you mean it.

  • 11 votes
#1.30 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:35 PM EST
MJL-3

vol

I do not understand the deletion of ANY comments that do not break the Code,

  • 21 votes
#1.31 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:43 PM EST
mrsrachelm

Thank you so very much, Shanno. That means a lot to me.

  • 13 votes
#1.32 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:44 PM EST
Viki Babbles Gonia

MJL-3, you can protest the deletion of your comment(s) via the instructions in the notification email you should have received.

That said, vol fan is valiantly attempting to keep this thread on track and on-topic. Please respect her wishes.

  • 31 votes
#1.33 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:47 PM EST
MJL-3

Ok , Viki

  • 12 votes
#1.34 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:49 PM EST
Ian F Walter

I do not understand the deletion of ANY comments that do not break the Code,

Generally, I agree. This particular kind of venue, when tempers are hot, is one where I think the staff should give moderators more leeway. Why? Because tempers are high. Pat posted an email she said she received. That email was vile, criminal, and indefensible. Operating on the premise that the email is genuine--and I am operating on that premise, completely--it was sent and received during a meta argument when tempers were high. This is a meta argument, tempers are high. The moderator lost a friend from newsvine and wants this to be a venue to have others express their rage about that email. In addition, it should a place where friends or supporters of pat are able to express their sadness at her loss.

The moderator deleted a comment of mine, right off the bat, which I do not believe was a violation of the coh. I fully support the moderator's decision to do so. It is a meta article about a friend who received a threatening email. I defer the turf to the moderator.

If the moderator were busily making accusations against one or more viners as being the author or a supporter of the email sent to pat, or was allowing such accusations to be made, that would be a different matter altogether.

I have appealed mine

You are well within your rights to do so. MJL. I will not appeal mine. Tempers are high. I would rather they settle.

  • 18 votes
#1.35 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:01 AM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

That's okay Ian, I will let that stand. Context.

  • 12 votes
#1.36 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:36 AM EST
Darrah, Greenville, SC

vol fan in chatt, tn

If you will allow me this one comment to Vicki:

Vicki, of course most people were and are worried about the e-mail sent to Pat. It's disturbing and I feel sorry for Pat. Yes, I hope she returns. But some of us put in a lot of time and energy into the satirical article about Dennis, not to mention the petition article by Dennis. Yes, the original article was two yrs. old but it was about Pat and Dennis and a lot of possibilities about the original e-mail that Dennis supposedly sent to other viners. Some viners actually received them. It was also a meta article. Do we still get to discuss meta issues? Are we allowed to send each other e-mails about it or do we have to be careful of that? You never know if we'll receive something like that so we should be made aware of who might have sent the e-mail. Are you going to share that with us if you find out? NV obviously has some current issues that need to be addressed because of these e-mails. Are current suppose to postpone any serious issues until the new NV comes into play?

Can we create another meta article about what may have happened or do we have to drop the whole thing? Some of us might have been suspended and wouldn't even know until we tried to get on NV or got a notice (if we were to get one.) Some people don't. We don't have any idea as to what happened with our fellow viners.

Thanks to both of you.

  • 11 votes
#1.37 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:23 AM EST
Darrah, Greenville, SC

edit: Are current viners suppose to postpone any serious issues until the new NV comes into play?

IMO, along with those of other viners, we think it's only fair to have a discussion with NV admin.

  • 12 votes
#1.38 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:30 AM EST
The Logical Truth

In my short time here on the vine I have posted one article. That is where I met Pat. She is a very intelligent woman but she can only take so much abuse, everybody has a limit. The one on that post don't seem to care how insulting they can be to their fellow human beings let alone citizens. They fail to remember that the words being typed in a post come from a human being not a computer. In the case of the most vile e-mail I have ever had the displeasure of reading, I believe there is someone on Newsvine who has totally lost their humanity. Such total disregard for the life of a person who has done them no harm is just pure evil. If I ever find out who that person is I will turn them in myself without hesitation. It may even be someone from a different country. But

You see people this is what it is turning out to be. Our country has been divided to the point where we are at each other's throats. Any little thing that goes wrong we blame each other. On this particular string I have noticed a coming together of the minds under a flag of truce in the hopes that pat will reconsider and grace us with her presence on this site. Even her adversaries are here. That should prove that everybody here really does care about each other even if we don't agree with each other on a lot of subjects. Well now people we have a common enemy on Newsvine, it is time to weed them out to the best of our abilities. A lot of you are vetrans on this site, read the letter over and over again and see if you can recognize the speech patterns of somebody you may know. And the little tidbit of information will help remove this vermin from our site. And hopefully Newsvine can recover and be more civil in the future.

Pat N, you visited my article recently even though you were very busy with more important matters. I have not been on long enough to get to know you. I am asking you to reconsider your choice and return to Newsvine. We don't want the evil one to win. As you can see by the previous statements even the people who were your adversaries wish you would come back because you actually are a valuable asset in any conversation. I know I would be honored if you returned and I am sure many others would feel the same way. In the meantime take a few days to think it over if you need to. We are your online family and we will surely miss you if you don't return.

  • 17 votes
#1.39 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:40 AM EST
hhabilis

If I ever find out who that person is I will turn them in myself without hesitation.

True restraint. Not being quite so civilized, I think I'd go for a little rough justice, myself.

  • 13 votes
#1.40 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:46 AM EST
Lkessler

All I gotta say is: Pat remains a friend of mine.

Whoever wrote that disgusting vitriol deserves to get banned forever.

Sadly, too many ways to "reincarnate" here.

Bottom line? I hope Pat returns. And to the "viner" who wrote that, here's my $.14 (inflation has been terrible!) worth of opinion: You obviously were not here to either get smarter, or learn from others. If this is your life choice, rest assured, karma will catch up with you.

My mom has always said that the misdeeds you do here on Earth you pay for right here. Your misdeeds will catch up with you--rest assured.

P.S. Thank you to the many "leftie" viners who have shown up in support of this article. Pat would've been happy to see you all support her.

  • 23 votes
#1.41 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:08 AM EST
NJ Person

To formerstew who said at 1.18: "To know that the person capable of writing that email is walking among us makes me sick."

It makes me sick, too. And, this person might be closer than we think ... reading these comments, having his/her "friend(s)" comment, or even commenting him/herself. The email writer did make reference to "us." The email might have been a deliberate group effort. Anything is possible.

  • 16 votes
#1.42 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:54 AM EST
Lkessler

You know, in light of this, I've also decided to take one more step. I won't allow anyone from NV contact me. Those who are friends and have my email, hey, fantastic.

Any others? Sorry, tough luck. This kind of BS attitude from people whom most of us have never met in real life is what makes us all turn away from the "net." And that's a shame. I thought the free exchange of ideas was encourage. How sad to find out that such is not the case here.

  • 19 votes
#1.43 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:11 AM EST
Viki Babbles Gonia

Darrah in 1.37:

But some of us put in a lot of time and energy into the satirical article about Dennis, not to mention the petition article by Dennis. Yes, the original article was two yrs. old but it was about Pat and Dennis and a lot of possibilities about the original e-mail that Dennis supposedly sent to other viners. Some viners actually received them.

Believe me, I'm aware of how much time and energy was put in. It was not a satirical article about Dennis. It was a "goodbye" article, much like this one, after Dennis left Newsvine 2 years ago. The thread morphed into a discussion of the emails purportedly sent by Dennis. I'm well aware that user received those emails, because many of them were forwarded to me.

It was also a meta article. Do we still get to discuss meta issues? Are we allowed to send each other e-mails about it or do we have to be careful of that?

Of course meta issues can still be discussed. I haven't seen any mention, anywhere, that they can't. And they're being discussed all over Newsvine right now. You're allowed to send emails to whomever you please. But you should definitely be careful about doing it. This is the internet, Darrah. You don't really know to whom you're writing. You should always be cautious.

You never know if we'll receive something like that so we should be made aware of who might have sent the e-mail. Are you going to share that with us if you find out? NV obviously has some current issues that need to be addressed because of these e-mails. Are current suppose to postpone any serious issues until the new NV comes into play?

I'm assuming you're referring to the threatening and horrible email Pat received. The email was sent privately, not through Newsvine Mail. Newsvine can't moderate emails between users, Darrah, especially those sent through users' private email accounts. The only time I've seen emails between users addressed was when threatening emails were sent using the Newsvine Mail function. That's not the case here.

It's not my business to share with anyone who wrote that email. It was an email sent to Pat N. If she chooses to pursue her legal options, you'll likely find out who wrote it.

I don't see that Newsvine has any current issues due to any emails, either the ones purportedly sent from Dennis, nor this one. Users should take what's happened over the last several weeks to remind themselves that they are participating in a forum on the internet, where most of the people you are talking to and dealing with are anonymous, and should take the care necessary to protect themselves.

None of this has anything to do with "New" Newsvine. There's no holding pattern here. Business as usual. You should discuss your concerns.

Can we create another meta article about what may have happened or do we have to drop the whole thing? Some of us might have been suspended and wouldn't even know until we tried to get on NV or got a notice (if we were to get one.) Some people don't. We don't have any idea as to what happened with our fellow viners.

You may create whatever you wish. I suggest that the discussion regarding Dennis and the emails purportedly sent from his account not be brought here, but if you wish to continue discussing it, by all means, whip up an article.

If anyone had gotten suspended, they would have received a notice. Notices are sent automatically in the case of suspensions. They go to the email address you have on record on your account.

IMO, along with those of other viners, we think it's only fair to have a discussion with NV admin.

I don't know what kind of discussion you wish to have, nor what about. Perhaps you should write an article outlining your concerns, or contact Tyler and/or Sally via the Contact form.

  • 18 votes
#1.44 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:14 AM EST
infraredExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

I would say just get over it, it is the internet. I can say that there been numerous times were Pat being a moderator allowed massive CoH violations to slip when the user was someone who shared her viewpoint. Indeed, I am no fan of Pat. She is free to leave as she wants to but I don't care if she comes back or not.

  • 32 votes
#1.45 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:00 AM EST
NJ PersonExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

infrared -- Well, at least you were honest. Cruelly, brutally, unfeelingly honest. Apparently, it matters not to you that a fellow Newsviner was viciously threatened via personal email (a federal crime).

What runs through your veins? My guess is ice water.

  • 27 votes
#1.46 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:03 AM EST
infrared

Maybe I perhaps missed something, my eyesight isn't the best but I did not find anything that I would say is a threat in any way.

There was a "why don't you just drop dead" sort of comment but nothing "i am going to find and kill you" comment.

  • 22 votes
#1.47 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:10 AM EST
NJ Person

I suggest you reread the email and then read the links that define cyberstalking, bias crimes, and threats. You seem to have a lot to learn.

  • 19 votes
#1.48 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:24 AM EST
infrared

it is an obscene email not a threat, cyber stalking? i don't know, stalking has to be excessive, one obscene email wouldn't be stalking. it just be obscene. but then again it is an email and this is the internet where there are pink polka cows flying around.

there is a reference to her email to dennis apparently, curious what that was about.

  • 21 votes
#1.49 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:29 AM EST
NJ Person

As I said ... lack of knowledge ... and ice water. Ciao.

  • 16 votes
#1.50 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:32 AM EST
Rorschach-558483

The email was inexcusable and criminal.

That said: Pat N went far, far beyond the call of conservative-opinion "duty" (pardon the expression) with her derision, snark and self-righteous attitude. I did not respect or like the woman as a Newsviner - not because her politics differed from mine, but because she tap-danced all over the CoH and clearly enjoyed herself in so doing. In my opinion, Pat likes the bully role. I don't put up with people like that.

Nothing justifies threats, real or insinuated.

Neither does a difference in political opinion justify the kind of belittling, condescending crap that Pat N delighted in throwing around. Respect's a two-way street. Want mine? Give some back, and vice versa. It's not an entitlement.

  • 32 votes
#1.51 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:15 PM EST
fireryone

I think this is awful. No one should ever have to read such vile disgusting comments directed at them. I've been horribly upset the last couple of days. I dont like what has happened, not one little bit.

Something similar happened to Pat in September. We were on a seed discussing Arizona charging fees and doing background checks on friends and family members visiting inmates. Pat posted that she had received a very similar e-mail in that seed. That was what caused me to reach out to Pat in the first place. Unfortunately, that seed was deleted, but if anyone remembers it maybe you remember the seeder and we can get that seeder to pull the contents of that e-mail off of Pat's post about it. The language is just too similar.

I've contacted Viki about this also. If anyone remembers who the seeder was, It would be very helpful. Viki, I decided to put this out there publically to see if anyone else remembers it or knows the seeder.

I hope Pat is ok.

  • 13 votes
#1.52 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:19 PM EST
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menmy2

What the hell is wrong with people?? Who the hell takes NV so seriously?

  • 11 votes
#1.54 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:39 PM EST
Runner99

Some people don't heed the warning not to run with pointy scissors. See what happens? It's obvious that these type of stalker people fell and poked their brains out.

  • 12 votes
#1.55 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:49 PM EST
merleliz

What the hell is wrong with people?? Who the hell takes NV so seriously?

Indeed. Very good point!

  • 11 votes
#1.56 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:51 PM EST
mrsrachelm

Some people don't heed the warning not to run with pointy scissors.

/giggle

http://youtu.be/A6CP7wRLE3E

  • 10 votes
#1.57 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:09 PM EST
infrared

I'm curious how did they get pat n's private email address.

  • 10 votes
#1.58 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:13 PM EST
VerbalBarb

I'm curious how did they get pat n's private email address.

It could be anyone with whom she's communicated in the past. If she ever responed to one "contact this author" email from the person, they've got her email. My bets are still with someone who has been banned and is just stirring the pot.

  • 11 votes
#1.59 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:22 PM EST
formerstew

Some people don't heed the warning not to run with pointy scissors.

/giggle

http://youtu.be/A6CP7wRLE3E

OK, mrsrachelm. Now that was funny. (However, I am feeling somewhat guilty at laughing because of the gravity of this thread...)

  • 8 votes
#1.60 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:22 PM EST
Darrah, Greenville, SC

suggest you reread the email and then read the links that define cyberstalking, bias crimes, and threats. You seem to have a lot to learn.

Was that adressed to me, NJ ?

If so, I have a few things to say about that.

  • 4 votes
#1.61 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:23 PM EST
infraredExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

It could be anyone with whom she's communicated in the past. If she ever responed to one "contact this author" email from the person, they've got her email. My bets are still with someone who has been banned and is just stirring the pot.

then she should know who it came from. i honestly think it is manufactured. to be this upset over a freaking message?

Was that adressed to me, NJ ?

no it was to me.

i read the link, they find spam to be cyberstalking. but stalking isn't junk mail.

criticism is also considered domestic violence in the UK.

  • 22 votes
#1.62 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:35 PM EST
drummerboy2011

i honestly think it is manufactured

Do you have ANY proof of this BULL@!$%# CLAIM?!?!?!?!? Of course you don't, you NEVER have proof of anything.

UNREAL!

  • 24 votes
#1.63 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:43 PM EST
VerbalBarb

then she should know who it came from.

Only if they sent it from an email address with which she's familiar. Anyone can make up a new email address to be "incognito".

  • 15 votes
#1.64 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:49 PM EST
infrared

i just gave you proof in a previous seed look back there.

about this, it is simple, the email was between two private email services not newsvine. she must have known who it was since they had her private email address. her response is rather abnormal. she was attacked via email not via newsvine. newsvine was the subject. it is like quitting facebook because someone you know sent you something very nasty through your private email.

  • 20 votes
#1.65 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:49 PM EST
Roy Batty

i honestly think it is manufactured

Apart from lacking evidence, here's a question for you: Considering the fact that PatN left Newsvine lock stock and barrel, why would it be? And why would another 'Viner bring it to our attention?

  • 13 votes
#1.66 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:54 PM EST
infrared

how did you miss the paragraph above?

second i think when you delete your account it deletes all seeds and everything. but i am not 100% sure on that.

  • 12 votes
#1.67 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:58 PM EST
robynlewisTX.Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

i honestly think it is manufactured.

Good God the stupid...it BURNS!!!

I'm curious how did they get pat n's private email address.

You've asked this question more than once, infrared. Why do you wanna know so badly?

Want to get something off your chest...hmmm?

  • 22 votes
#1.68 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:01 PM EST
infrared

Well that's a coh violation right there.

Because if it came from newsvine email contact system it make more sense. Instead it was private email. There is less sense there and more likelihood of being manufactured.

  • 24 votes
#1.69 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:11 PM EST
VerbalBarb

she must have known who it was since they had her private email address.

So, you personally know everyone who has ever sent you an email and recognize them from their email addresses? Those people selling Viagra? those people who want to help you enlarge your penis? Sell you vitamins from Canada? People who live in Nigeria and want to give you money?

Interesting.

  • 14 votes
#1.70 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:13 PM EST
greg-709692Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Why do Liberals insist on "Conjecture" being fact. Holy Crap! See below.

Good God the stupid...it BURNS!!!

DA's forever !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO !!!

  • 21 votes
#1.71 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:16 PM EST
infrared

So, you personally know everyone who has ever sent you an email and recognize them from their email addresses? Those people selling Viagra? those people who want to help you enlarge your penis? Sell you vitamins from Canada? People who live in Nigeria and want to give you money?

Yes I do.

That is spam which is collected from sites you register on but obtaining those aol addresses and making use of them in sending obscene emails isn't easy.

  • 14 votes
#1.72 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:20 PM EST
robynlewisTX.

There is less sense there and more likelihood of being manufactured.

What's all this talk about MANUFACTURING?

Manufactured by whom? Pat? Are insinuating that PAT made this email up, then turned and blamed someone else?

What precisely are you trying to get at here, infrared?

If a Viner wanted to tell Pat off without exposing their NV email, all they'd have to do is make up a new one, write the filthy email, and fire it off. It doesn't take a computer genius to figure this out.

They get the satisfaction of cursing out Pat, without her knowing who did it. Why do keep placing the blame on Pat for all this?

  • 21 votes
#1.73 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:24 PM EST
Spikegary

Robyn,

This person is insistent on picking a fight because they disagree with this article. Not a debate, just screaming their side of the table over and over.

  • 18 votes
#1.74 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:30 PM EST
Roy Batty

Why do Liberals insist on "Conjecture" being fact. Holy Crap!

Why do some lump all "liberals" together? I am one and I am not buying infrared's supposition.

  • 24 votes
#1.75 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:33 PM EST
JM California

Not a debate, just screaming their side of the table over and over.

How true!

  • 9 votes
#1.76 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:36 PM EST
menmy2

Why do some lump all "liberals" together? I am one and I am not buying infrared's supposition.

Right. That's a big part of the problem on NV and it comes from both sides.

  • 18 votes
#1.77 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:37 PM EST
fireryone

Can't we just please honor Vol's request to keep this civil, she's not able to moderate right now. Let's be the adults at least on this topic.

  • 9 votes
#1.78 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:40 PM EST
infraredExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Yes I am saying she did it. Her response was nonsensical.

  • 12 votes
#1.79 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:42 PM EST
fireryone

infrared, please take your conjecture over to jfxgillis' Meta article. It can be discussed there if you choose. This isn't the place.

  • 14 votes
#1.80 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:44 PM EST
greg-709692Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Why do some lump all "liberals" together? I am one and I am not buying infrared's supposition.

Liberal or Democrat, that is the question Roy, on your statement. There "IS" a difference.

  • 8 votes
#1.81 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:46 PM EST
LassenParkExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Why do Liberals insist on "Conjecture" being fact. Holy Crap! See below.

The right wing capacity for projection is seemingly limitless.

  • 16 votes
#1.82 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:49 PM EST
JM California

The slap fest begins.

I'm outta here.

  • 13 votes
#1.83 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:51 PM EST
Ian F Walter

I agree with fieryone. infared, you're inflaming friends of pat. It serves no purpose. It's conjecture.

I would ask you to please refrain. You're hop-skip-jump logic is inflammatory. It is an accusation based on feeling, nothing more. Nobody knows who sent that email. This is not the appropriate venue to attach blame to anybody, especially pat.

And the right-wing, left-wing nonsense has no place here either. Take it elsewhere.

  • 26 votes
#1.84 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:51 PM EST
greg-709692Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

The right wing capacity for projection is seemingly limitless.

Really ? Looked at your own comments lately "infrared"?

It's so tiring telling Liberals to look at their own wording ............. :/

  • 19 votes
#1.85 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:54 PM EST
Smith Cassidy

infrared
I'm curious how did they get pat n's private email address.

Pat made, in my opinion at least, 1 big mistake in posting her real name and where she works on this site. From there, you can find nearly anything else you want to know. That's a No-No.

Regardless, like many people above, I didn't agree with Pat politically most of the time, but I did appreciate her Pov and had respect for her opinions.

That being said, that's a horrible email. People need to relax.

I wish you the best, Pat. 8)

  • 11 votes
#1.86 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:55 PM EST
VerbalBarb

you're inflaming friends of pat.

And not-such-friends of Pat....but it's obvious that's the idea, isn't it? Some can't resist pot-stirring.

Since it's obvous that people are just pot-stirring, how about we not respond. Let's disengage from the pot-stirrers.

  • 26 votes
#1.87 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:57 PM EST
Viki Babbles Gonia

Good call, VB.

  • 12 votes
#1.88 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:58 PM EST
hvymtl83

Pat made, in my opinion at least, 1 big mistake in posting her real name and where she works on this site. That's a No-No.

OK, but that still doesn't give someone the right to send her crap like this. To the emailer - WTF is wrong with you? I hope Pat finds out who you are and prosecutes you to the fullest extent of the law. You had best hope I'm not on the jury or your azz is gonna belong to Bubba from cellblock 5 until your rectum looks like the Lincoln Tunnel. Trash-talking on the 'Vine is one thing, nasty threatening emails to a personal account are not acceptable.

  • 9 votes
#1.89 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:02 PM EST
VerbalBarb

I hope Pat finds out who you are and prosecutes you to the fullest extent of the law.

You know, I'm not sure I see the authorities taking much action for one nasty email. Now, if it was a series of emails, online harrasment, yes. But, one nasty email where no bodily harm was threatened? Not so much.

  • 12 votes
#1.90 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:07 PM EST
Smith Cassidy

hvymtl83

OK, but that still doesn't give someone the right to send her crap like this.

I never implied anything of the sort. I answered a question.

Further, it's a warning - privacy on the internet is serious and something to be aware of, pro-actively pursing.

  • 11 votes
#1.91 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:10 PM EST
greg-709692

My name is "Greg" and I'm a NV'er. Since you know my first name, should I be watching for hate mail calls, AGAIN, because I use my first name ????

I, and I'm sure PatN knew the possibilities, but, and that's a big word, BUT ....

This is supposed to be a regulated area. :)

  • 12 votes
#1.92 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:50 PM EST
MJL-3Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

greg,

actually she used her first name and her domain was her last name, very easy to google, she had all kinds of info on line, she also had her work, what she did and her work email address.

Never EVER use you name as your domain!

Now I did a little experiment, I emailed myself a very nasty email,

And it copied it to word and xx'd out the address and bingo , ready to post on a comment.

So , was that email real ??

  • 24 votes
#1.93 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:03 PM EST
Abby.

Since I've been here, I've only gotten 2 creepy emails.
I deleted them, unfriended the sender, & continued on with my private & vine life.

  • 20 votes
#1.94 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:04 PM EST
merleliz

I think most of us tend to judge others by how we would react in a certain situation. I know I do...and it's bitten me in the butt more times than one. If you are a trusting person, someone who would never do something like that, you don't always see the danger signals until too late.

I have a friend on a horse forum who breeds AQHA, just a few foals a year, and her barn name was known on the site. A small group of malcontents got angry with her in her role as moderator, next thing you know, she's getting nasty emails (not as bad as Pat's, but pretty hateful), then late night obscene phone calls, then death threats against her animals over the phone.

But at the time that she disclosed her barn name, she did it to help someone who was having some serious health issues with a mare and foal...she wanted to give them more information and see if she could save the foal's life, so she gave them her email so they could send her some pictures and she could forward them to her vet....then in thanking her they mentioned her barn name, and after that it was an easy AQHA look up.

It never once occurred to her that doing so would lead to people threatening to hamstring her mares because she deleted their post, you know?

  • 10 votes
#1.95 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:06 PM EST
RAC 0129

Sorry to have to keep posting this but Pat actually posted where she worked here.

  • 12 votes
#1.96 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:06 PM EST
MJL-3

RAC

Yes she did, she gave out WAY too much information about her and her daughter

  • 20 votes
#1.97 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:10 PM EST
greg-709692

What's odd to me is, every, and I mean EVERY email I've recieved from those using the "Contact Author" format, shows me an actual email from the "Sender". No X's, no blackouts, just an email listing.

I did an experiment myself, a few months ago, with a good friend of mine on NV. I copied and pasted the email shown on the recieved email, and they got my email with no problems.

Seems there is a clich in the system here on NV if your not supposed to see someone elses contact email when they contact you the NV way.

  • 12 votes
#1.98 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:14 PM EST
RAC 0129

What's odd to me is, every, and I mean EVERY email I've recieved from those using the "Contact Author" format, shows me an actual email from the "Sender". No X's, no blackouts, just an email listing.

Pat had obviously edited the To: and From: information before she posted it.

  • 12 votes
#1.99 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:21 PM EST
merleliz

Sorry to have to keep posting this but Pat actually posted where she worked here.

Yes she did, she gave out WAY too much information about her and her daughter

You know, you seem to feel that justifies her being threatened with such a nasty, hate-filled rant.

Would you feel the same way if someone you know, who is on your friend's list, and who has perhaps linked to their website, posted where they work, what their position there is, uses their real name and has even given details of their CV...were to receive the same type email? Would you feel it was "their own fault" for letting that information out there?

  • 13 votes
#1.100 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:28 PM EST
MJL-3

merleliz

You know, you seem to feel that justifies her being threatened with such a nasty, hate-filled rant.

Who said, go back and read where she told us about on the "Article we can not mention"

The fact is, you can send yoursef an email, ok.

As soon as people told her to report it or call the athorities, she deleted herself, WHY??????

Very suspicous to me, I really don't care what you think of my opinion. But I have the right to express it.

Would you feel the same way if someone you know, who is on your friend's list, and who has perhaps linked to their website, posted where they work, what their position there is, uses their real name and has even given details of their CV...were to receive the same type email? Would you feel it was "their own fault" for letting that information out there?

I probably wouldn't even know about it, or it would be in a private email to me, I do not think they would not go infront of god and all of NV to talk about it.

  • 19 votes
#1.101 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:37 PM EST
Viki Babbles Gonia

She removed her account immediately after posting the contents of that email.

con·jec·ture/kənˈjekCHər/

Noun:

An opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

Verb:

Form an opinion or supposition about (something) on the basis of incomplete information.

  • 13 votes
#1.102 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:40 PM EST
Bad Fish

I welcome creepy emails. I respond to them. I also talk extensivly to telemarketers and try to sell them items from my garage. If approached at the entrance of a super market by parents selling cookies and claiming it's their kids, i walk to my vehicle and pull out items to trade. I love pushy sales people too. I answer every question with a question until they become frustrated. Needless to say i can entertain myself easily.

  • 28 votes
#1.103 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:42 PM EST
RAC 0129

Sorry to have to keep posting this but Pat actually posted where she worked here.

Yes she did, she gave out WAY too much information about her and her daughter

You know, you seem to feel that justifies her being threatened with such a nasty, hate-filled rant.

You know point out where that is stated. I am responding the questions about how Pat's email could be discovered. I have already stated it was vile and not justified. Please understand @!$%# before you place the shoe in your mouth.

Would you feel the same way if someone you know, who is on your friend's list, and who has perhaps linked to their website, posted where they work, what their position there is, uses their real name and has even given details of their CV...were to receive the same type email? Would you feel it was "their own fault" for letting that information out there?

Irrelevant. I don't support what happened. Never have. Appalled at it. No justification for it. Would take the @!$%#'s nuts to a stump and push them over backward.

  • 11 votes
#1.104 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:43 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

Well, I see people decided not to play nice. Dadgumit, I would delete some if they weren't already collapsed. What a friggin pathetic display. You want to talk about the email, and whyether it was "real" or not, start your own seed. Not here!!

  • 16 votes
#1.105 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:46 PM EST
Darrah, Greenville, SC

MJL-3,

Can you write a meta article about the e-mails...the one Dennis supposedly sent to 18 people regarding his petition article and the one sent to Pat?

I can understand the point of this article by vol so we need another one to discuss things without taking a big chance of getting deleted, suspended or banned.

  • 14 votes
#1.106 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:52 PM EST
Lkessler

Darrah: That's an excellent suggestion.

  • 20 votes
#1.107 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:59 PM EST
MJL-3

I can , I will work on it now, I will call it

"Saga of emails:

:) :)

  • 15 votes
#1.108 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:02 PM EST
merleliz

Very suspicous to me, I really don't care what you think of my opinion. But I have the right to express it.

Certainly you do. And the Supreme Court has ruled that Westboro Baptist Church has the right to show up at LGTB funerals and chant hate filled rants about the loved one being buried, but that doesn't mean we have to like it, you know?

Having "the right" to do something doesn't always mean it is the right thing to do. Those of us who did like Pat N would like a forum to express our outrage at the vicious nasty email that was sent to her, our sorrow that she has felt compelled to delete her account here, and express our regret at her going.

All we ask is that we be allowed to do so in peace and harmony without people attacking her...okay?

Is it really too much to ask?

  • 19 votes
#1.109 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:10 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

Yes, MJL, please do...we can hash it out over there...I have some thoughts on that as well, but have chosen not to share them here, as this isn't the time nor the place.

  • 15 votes
#1.110 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:29 PM EST
Neale Osborn

It's amazing. Fighting over your right to be an @!$%#, and totslly ignoring what YOU would feel if someone did this to you. Personally, I like pat. I have a private e-mail address of hers, and hope she responds to my request to talk to her. But I wouldn't blame her for not returning to NV. Sure, she's an opinionated pain in the ass sometimes. So what. We all are. Yet I have never sent ANYONE, even the viner (now banned) who posted that my kids were "In-bred incestuos hillbillys who spend all day....." you get the point, as vile an e-mail as that. I simply deleted every single thing he posted to my articles, and told him that would continue until he made a sincere and abject apology. I never got the apology, he never got to leave another comment on my articles again. Pat DID let too much personal info out. SO have I. But no one has been so low as to try this crap with me, so I've been lucky. I hope Pat manages to get over this.

  • 19 votes
#1.111 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:40 PM EST
Smith Cassidy

greg-709692
My name is "Greg" and I'm a NV'er. Since you know my first name, should I be watching for hate mail calls, AGAIN, because I use my first name ????

Not quite the same thing as first name, last name, and place of employment...but close. 8]

  • 9 votes
#1.112 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:45 PM EST
Abby.

I also talk extensivly to telemarketers and try to sell them items from my garage.

I do that too!
It's so much fun!
*giggles*
:D

  • 15 votes
#1.113 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:40 PM EST
Gypsywych

merleliz - As always you are just classy. Excellent post #1.109

  • 6 votes
#1.114 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:09 PM EST
Spikegary

Neale,

Sent you a note on a different subject.

  • 5 votes
#1.115 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:38 PM EST
MJL-3

Well, a few of us were told to write an article and go there, well I was asked and did it

but it was collapsed by the community, I understand people wanting to reminisce about your "friend" but don't any other have any rights on the vine or are their just a few that do???

It was bull @!$%#, well thank you for doing it and giving me a whole new insight to her friends. I actually expected more out of you

  • 18 votes
#1.116 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:01 PM EST
mrsrachelm

MJL:

If it wasn't in violation of the CoH/UA then definitely ask for it to be restored. And no, people shouldn't be collapsing it out of spite. Let's be better than that folks.

  • 17 votes
#1.117 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:04 PM EST
NJ Person

MJL-3 -- Whatever are you talking about??? You assume that because your article is collapsed that the people in THIS article did it? That's a pretty nasty accusation.... and it's solely based upon assumption.

  • 15 votes
#1.118 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:04 PM EST
MJL-3

mrsrachelm

Thank you

NJPerson

Perseption , it 's a wonderful thing

  • 9 votes
#1.119 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:06 PM EST
Global777

MJL-3

While I DID NOT flag your article, I would have appreciated it if you hadn't deleted my comment(s).

There is nothing about:

Pat initially defended dennis. Her support disappeared, when he lied.

There is credible evidence, supporting the position that dennis lied about sending emails. What evidence can you provide, to support your position that Pat "deserves no more or less consideration?"

when it was in response to:

Pat N deserves no more or less consideration than she gave Dennis on the email issue...

... that warranted your deletion.

You allowed the latter and deleted the former. And you complain about collapses?

  • 15 votes
#1.120 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:10 PM EST
MJL-3

Global777

Since you have been around awhile and I am fairly new at articles I would have appreciated some support in 'deletions" I did what I thought I should,

Dennis is a viner ,you called him a liar, COH to my understanding.

Other than that, I don't know what you expected me to do, I am not going to argue with you

Pat N is no longer a viner

  • 13 votes
#1.121 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:16 PM EST
mrsrachelm

I never went to that article because it was for those who feel contrary to how I do and was a -counter- article (in my opinion) to this one. I figure let those who want to express those sentiments and drag all that other crap back up again have their own article to speak freely and those of us who feel differently can have this one. Thus, both sides can leave each other the hell alone to do so.

MJL: Get your article restored tomorrow and have this flame war over there per vol's and the NV guide's CONSTANT request. Thank you.

Global: Same.

  • 14 votes
#1.122 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:21 PM EST
MJL-3

mrsrachelm

Yep, it would have been nice, but I guess not,

Thanks

  • 7 votes
#1.123 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:22 PM EST
Global777

mjl...

you called him a liar...

Please cite where I called him a liar.

  • 9 votes
#1.124 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:26 PM EST
Global777Deleted
Ian F Walter

Global,

WTF? Seriously? You are going to have that conversation here? You just crapped all over vols intent, yourself. Knock it off. That @!$%# doesn't belong here.

  • 18 votes
#1.126 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:32 PM EST
bonos_rama

MJL, ,definitely ask for your article to be restored, and to have the mods look into who collapsed it. You have as much righto to put up an article for discussion as anyone else.

  • 22 votes
#1.127 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:42 PM EST
bitemore

Ditto - what bonos_rama said...

  • 19 votes
#1.128 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:45 PM EST
MJL-3

Well , I have asked them if MINE be collasped So does THIS one.

They were one was created because a few of us were not welcomed here.

  • 10 votes
#1.129 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:46 PM EST
MJL-3

Global777

I am not debating it with you any more,

Help get my article restored and we will talk about this over there.

  • 13 votes
#1.130 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:47 PM EST
Global777

Ian...

WTF? Seriously?

What did you think this meant:

As is usually the case, you are correct.

And, as I was the respondent, I'm sure you have some sage words for MJL?

Uh huh...

You did a great job with lassen. But, it's time to dial down the article cop thing.

  • 9 votes
#1.131 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:49 PM EST
Global777

MJL...

Help get my article restored and we will talk about this over there.

Fair enough...

  • 5 votes
#1.132 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:50 PM EST
Ian F Walter

bonos and bitemore,

Class words to MJL.

MJL, By the time I made it to your article, it was gone. Which is crap. That said, let's try to take the high road here. I for one will not support the collapse of this one just because yours was collapsed. I'm sorry it happened to you, though. Tempers are high. Including mine. So...let's just work through this with adding to the trouble.

Yes? Maybe? Por favor?

  • 13 votes
#1.133 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:52 PM EST
MJL-3

Ian

I'd love to but this is the only article now that I can come to, mine is gone.

So I guess somebody wanted me here, why else would it be collasped :)

  • 15 votes
#1.134 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:55 PM EST
bitemore

Well, don't know if it means anything, but Tyler clipped this article to his column...

  • 15 votes
#1.135 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:56 PM EST
MJL-3

LOL

Well's it's been nice knowing all of you :) :)

  • 14 votes
#1.136 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:09 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

MJL, I was on the back page and responded to your article being taken down there.

Global, I deleted your comment and have added it back partially here:

mrsrachelm...

As is usually the case, you are correct. I got carried away, responding to _____

Don't go there, Global. You are correct in that it was in response to something someone else said.

MJL,

Well , I have asked them if MINE be collasped So does THIS one.

Seriously? Wow...

And yes, by all means I do hope YOURS gets restored because I don't want this here.

MJL...

Help get my article restored and we will talk about this over there.

Fair enough...

Thank you both.

  • 15 votes
#1.137 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:41 PM EST
drummerboy2011

Well , I have asked them if MINE be collasped So does THIS one.

It doesn't work that way.

  • 14 votes
#1.138 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:49 PM EST
MJL-3

what ever drummerboy

  • 6 votes
#1.139 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:51 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

Comments are now closed.

  • 10 votes
#1.140 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:08 PM EST
800 lb. gorilla

the email was wrong, to be sure.

that being said, one reaps what one sows on the vine.

most would do well to remember that. if you seed derision and snark as a part of your method of communication, then eventually a few loons will stalk you.

the people who play here, in a civil manner, usually do not have this happen to them. pat did not always play in a civil manner. still, what happened is not right. it is not totally unexpected, or surprising to me, though. if you play with fire, then you might get burned. gorilla does not make the rules, i just try to follow them. ......and of course, enforce them, for i am huge in my own mind.

  • 13 votes
#1.141 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:02 PM EST
YaddaYadda

I didn't like PatN's views. I thought she could be downright nasty at times when expressing them. That said, the email she received was vile and disgusting.

I hope she does come back because otherwise, the person who wrote that vile, disgusting email wins. And as much as I didn't care for Pat's views, I just don't see her as a lying down and taking it kinda gal.

COME BACK, PAT!

  • 10 votes
#1.142 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:10 PM EST
800 lb. gorilla

I just don't see her as a lying down and taking it

agreed. i was quite surprised.

  • 9 votes
#1.143 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:12 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

Agreed, yadayadda, and apparently she is not just "taking it"...page three. The emails are now in the hands of the authorities, per Viki.

Gotta run in a few, so comments are closed.

  • 14 votes
#1.144 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:15 PM EST
Runner99

I wouldn't even call that e-mail sick, demented or twisted. That would be a compliment. Its's far worse than that.

Only a person who goes home to kick their puppy and disappears into a closet emerging in a semi-adult skin tight halloween costume of Spiderman shouting "I'm invincible, I'm invincible" would do this. Congratulations on having the I.Q. of minus infinity.

Sitting behind a computer screen of anonimity makes you feel like a big person huh? WRONG, you're a little person, a very little person overcompensating for ___________— (fill in the blank)

  • 27 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:51 PM EST
robynlewisTX.

Agreed, Runner99!

Only the lowest type of coward would email that type of disgusting filth to another person. Absolutely gross.

We love you Pat, and hope to see you back. Don't let this get to you. We are all behind you 100%.

(((Pat)))

  • 22 votes
#2.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:56 PM EST
Runner99

You got that right Robyn who ever did this is a coward!!! Ha, probably looks and acts like Barny Fife, what a spineless dorky e-mail.

Hey Coward, come out and play!!!!

  • 20 votes
#2.2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:04 PM EST
Arkansas Gloria

You are right, runner.

  • 9 votes
#2.3 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:27 PM EST
The Logical Truth

= when we find him he should be tarred and feathered plus run out on a rail! Enough is enough of this kind of talk on Newsvine or even behind the news Vines back. Like just happened.

  • 8 votes
#2.4 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:50 AM EST
Chris-382117

But this type of crap is what we have degenerated into. We have people that are so spineless that they use the Internet a a way of showing that they are ea "Bull" too. They use the anonymity as a way to vent their hate by saying things to people with their keyboard that they don't have stones enough to say to their faces for fear of needing massive amounts of expensive Prosthodontic services rendered.

  • 11 votes
#2.5 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:40 PM EST
Susan-3647822

While teenagers, gays, and anyone else seen as different are reduced to suicide by bullies and we pass law after law trying to stop it our "leaders" or wannabes hiding behind nameless superpacs engage in the most blatant bullying of all using lies, distortions, and hate in attempting to win the grand prize. Leadership of the USA with all the power and influence the position weilds. And we vote them to the top of the heap. The ultimate positions of power and success, the role models we hold out to our youth, are often the biggest, meanest, richest bullies we can find.

What are we teaching the next generation? The biggest, meanest, ugliest, and sneakiest will win. And here it is on Newsvine. The bullies win and Pat is gone.

  • 3 votes
#2.6 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:51 AM EST
NJ Person

Whoever the coward is who is behind this email is mentally sick. I hope that Pat N will contact not only NV but also her ISP (through which the sender's ISP can easily be tracked), her local authorities, AND the FBI. This must NOT go unpunished to the FULL EXTENT of the law!!

I don't know Pat N well, but I always enjoyed reading her comments: well-presented, thoughtful, and intelligent.

  • 22 votes
#3 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:01 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

She could run circles around most debaters - left, right, and center...dang, I marveled at how she sucked them in, and then....WHAM!!

Pat if someone sends this to you, I hope you will contact the FBI, because this is hate speech in the worst possible form.

  • 26 votes
#3.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:05 PM EST
Jake-991574

vol fan I don't think I have ever check up anything you've presented but I'm with you on this so here goes. PS read my 1.14

  • 9 votes
#3.2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:33 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

well, liberal and conservative alike...we can all agree that this is disgusting and beyond the pale. It's kind of a sad commentary on the things that bring us together :(

  • 15 votes
#3.3 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:49 PM EST
canary-in-the-coal-mine

c'mon people - you seem to think that ANY email can be traced.

Sad to say, they cannot. operating behind a proxy server for ANY AND ALL TRANSACTIONS, the email and the ISP are both hidden beyond the ability to be traced.

I'll concur with the "idiot" assessment, though - the person who sent the email has "issues" and might benefit from some mental health "counseling" (usually, though, they aren't ready for the 12 step process where the first step is ADMISSION OF THE PROBLEM.)

  • 10 votes
#3.4 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:26 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

c'mon people - you seem to think that ANY email can be traced.

you mean it can't?

thanks, canary...

  • 10 votes
#3.5 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:35 PM EST
canary-in-the-coal-mine

from what I saw it looked like it might have been an open transmission. Text is too small to easily read (so I had to remember how to enlarge it). That will get the email itself (and the linkages into NV identified if sent thru NV itself) - but emails (gmail, hotmail, yahoo, etc) are FREE and one discardable email or another will only BAN that particular address. There are more internet cafes around than anyone would think - so getting another nom-de-plume on NV is a simple task.

IF someone wants to make threats or be vile and be ANONYMOUS, it's possible IF SOMEONE IS NET SAVVY.

  • 13 votes
#3.6 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:56 PM EST
The Logical Truth

That may narrow it down a little bit, if somebody recognizes the writing style it can be narrowed down even further.

  • 6 votes
#3.7 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:54 AM EST
Spikegary

The only way to get an original e-mail from one viner to another is through the 'contact author' routine, if you answer one of those, that person will have your e-mail address. Tracing back to that, you can find the Viner (staff has that capability) and can ban that user and IP Address. Criminal prosecution can be trickier to find, though if the person ever cashed out their Newsvine earnings, it makes it easier to follow their steps.....

  • 9 votes
#3.8 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:44 AM EST
MJL-3

Spikegary

it was NOT sent through the contact, I think Viki said that on the "article we can't speak of" shortly after Pat posted it.

That's why NV really cant do anything.

  • 13 votes
#3.9 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:14 AM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

it was NOT sent through the contact,

MJL is correct on that.

  • 8 votes
#3.10 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:21 AM EST
Infohack

That wasn't Spikegary's point. If you send an email to me through Newsvine's "contact author" page, and I hit reply from my personal email, you will now have my real email address. Many people on Newsvine have my real email address that way, and anyone who Pat had correspondence with in the past could possibly have hers.

The only way to avoid that is to use the reply link through Newsvine that's sent with the email, this is recommended if you are concerned with people you don't really know having your real email. But...

The only way to get an original e-mail from one viner to another is through the 'contact author' routine, if you answer one of those, that person will have your e-mail address. Tracing back to that, you can find the Viner

This is not necessarily the case. Once yoou have my email address (by my replying directly), there's nothing to preclude you from simply using it to send an email from a throwaway email account. It becomes even less traceable if the throwaway is set up through a proxy server.

Regardless, I sincerely hope that Pat pursues all available resources to try and determine the identity of the sender, and that he/she is caught and summarily banned. There is no place for this kind of thing on Newsvine.

  • 13 votes
#3.11 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:57 AM EST
Infohack

The only way to avoid that is to use the reply link through Newsvine that's sent with the email, this is recommended if you are concerned with people you don't really know having your real email.

Correction, Newsvine doesn't provide a link to reply through their servers, I was thinking of other websites that have an internal message system.

The only way to be safe and remain anonymous to other users is to go to the sender's column, and use the contact author form, which is kind of a pain in the ass. They do include a warning in the email:

NOTE: This user sent you this message via the Contact This Author link on your column. They do not have your e-mail address. If you choose to reply to them via e-mail, however, you will make your e-mail address known to them.

Hopefully this is something that will be addressed when the new platform rolls out. A lot of these problems stem from the fact that since there's no simple, non time-consuming way to reply, most users just hit reply from their email so a lot of people have each other's real email addresses. This probably wasn't a priority to fix back when the Newsvine community was a lot smaller, but it should be fixed now.

  • 9 votes
#3.12 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:19 AM EST
MJL-3

That wasn't Spikegary's point. If you send an email to me through Newsvine's "contact author" page, and I hit reply from my personal email, you will now have my real email address. Many people on Newsvine have my real email address that way, and anyone who Pat had correspondence with in the past could possibly have hers.

Umm, there are other ways to get a persons email, I am very careful who I give mine out to , but I have still been hacked.

  • 9 votes
#3.13 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:27 PM EST
RAC 0129

Pat posted where she worked here. Not too difficult to find out stuff after that

  • 11 votes
#3.14 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:33 PM EST
Chuck1968Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

She could run circles around most debaters

by making up lies like she could qualify for food stamps?? not really good debating.

I question the validity of the email as well. Ill wait to see if any more evidence comes out.

While there is no proof she sent it to herself , there is also no proof she didnt...at least for now.

  • 20 votes
#3.15 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:30 PM EST
NJ Person

Bullies are people with very low self-esteem. They hide behind their bravado in order to tout their perception of self-importance. One of the worst and utterly pathetic kinds of bullies is the person hiding behind his/her computer spewing hatred. We see those types daily on NV. If they weren't so dangerous, I might almost feel sorry for them.

This person's HUGE mistake was to put his/her thoughts in writing ... on the Internet, no less! Nothing ever disappears completely from here.

  • 15 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:10 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

big people with little computer screens or is it little people with big computer screens? Oh yeah...the latter. Well said, NJ person.

  • 14 votes
#4.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:18 PM EST
The Logical Truth

I think it's some guy who's trying to compensate for something. You know the usual kind of pervert. The kind of person who gets his kicks off of harming others whether mentally or physically.

  • 6 votes
#4.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:56 AM EST
merleliz

Bullies are people with very low self-esteem.

And generally for a very good reason...they don't have a "self" that deserves esteem!

  • 12 votes
#4.3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:00 AM EST
formerstew

If I were investigating this, I would look at a person who has had issues with both Pat N. and Dennis, both of whom are quite strong and vocal. It's certainly someone who knows the history between them. They are probably a banned re-reg (as opposed to a re-reg done just to stir this particular @!$%#-storm). I also bet they've been waiting for an opportunity just like this.

Dennis is anything but stupid. For him to be behind something like this (or encourage his friends to do something so heinous) would be exactly that: stupid.

  • 10 votes
#4.4 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:05 PM EST
VerbalBarb

They are probably a banned re-reg (as opposed to a re-reg done just to stir this particular @!$%#-storm). I also bet they've been waiting for an opportunity just like this.

They don't even have to be a re-reg. It could just be someone reading the kerfuffle and deciding to take advantage of it to do something nasty.

  • 11 votes
#4.5 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:21 PM EST
mrsrachelm

Hear hear, vol!

It is my sincerest hope that the individual(s) are caught and prosecuted to the fullest extent possible.

The person writing that email really needs to take a moment to reflect on their level of emotional investment in comparison to the import of the original subject itself. Seriously, whoever you are, you need to think about seeking help. I do not mean that to be sarcastic at all. It is meant in sincerity because you are obviously a potential danger to others and yourself if your rage is such that you would send this type of correspondence. Really...this is no way to live your life.

If I were on the receiving end, I would pursue it until someone was prosecuted. Federal crimes come with VERY stiff penalties and terroristic threats are taken very seriously these days. I hope Pat N pursues it.

  • 19 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:11 PM EST
Abby.

WTF???
What a low act!
Pat,
Don't let this get to you.
Report this to NV & the authorities.
Let them handle this for you.
Whoever did this, WILL be caught.
Don't stay away just because of some lowlife pinhead.
You're stronger than that.
*hugs*

  • 20 votes
Reply#6 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:16 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

Amen to that, Abby.

  • 14 votes
#6.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:19 PM EST
Richard, WA

Agreed. This kind of behavior is unacceptable. It stifles free speech and free expression and has no place anywhere. I hope this idiot gets arrested.

If you're so angry that you can't express yourself civilly, go take a freaking walk or get the hell off the vines.

Conflicting opinions are the lifeblood of debate. Without that, all you have is a pointless stream of nodding heads. I wish more people understood this.

  • 14 votes
#6.2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:23 PM EST
Runner99

Richard, if there was a "post of the day" you'd win it. Excellent, just excellent.

  • 10 votes
#6.3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:12 AM EST
Spikegary

Holy crap, that is pretty vile. Whoever the child that wrote that is, they should be ashamed of themselves. Dennis would never tolerate this kind of abuse anywhere within one of his columns and in fact, he and PatN have a grudging and sometimes fun respect for each other.

Another thing, once you have no other opinions here, it becomes nothing more than an echo chamber to hear how wonderful you are-don't believe it, it's not true and whoever you are? You might want to think about taking your posterior down off your shoulders and putting it where it belongs.....

  • 16 votes
Reply#7 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:27 PM EST
NJ Person

By Dennis, I assume you mean Dennis McCann. McCann is not the topic of this article, so he has no place even being mentioned here. He is not the Alpha and Omega of Newsvine.

Other than that, I like your post, Spikegary.

  • 14 votes
#8 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:31 PM EST
maggiemoo86

NJ Person: PatN brought Dennis into the discussion in the e-mail/comment we are all commenting on. Read PatN's comments above, she blames Dennis's friends for the e-mail. I believe Spikegary was commenting on the unlikelyhood that Dennis would have such a horrible person as a friend.

  • 11 votes
#8.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:17 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

Folks, I would really, really like to say some things here myself, but I will refrain...and if I must, so must you...Enough already about Dennis and the drama over there- this is not about him and that, plain and simple.

  • 15 votes
#8.2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:27 PM EST
Elaine-1503791Deleted
MJL-3Deleted
vol fan in chatt, tn

Again, I am going to abide by the rules I set down for all of us...8.3 and 8.4 deleted...people can go make their own conclusions about that...not here.

  • 9 votes
#8.5 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:53 PM EST
MJL-3

vol fan in chatt, tn

It was not a conclusion, it was a statement by Pat Herself.

Wow that deletion was fast.

  • 18 votes
#8.6 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:07 PM EST
MJL-3

Ok so let me be on topic here,

Let's adress that nasty email

Are You sure it was actually sent to Pat?

It very easy to create one for sympathy?????

Oh and vol fan in chatt, tn if I am attacked in any way for this comment, I expect you to delete the attack on me.

  • 19 votes
#8.7 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:36 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

I am trying hard to stay on top of things here, mjl3...I don't want this to turn into something it was not intended to be.

  • 12 votes
#8.8 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:37 PM EST
Ian F Walter

MJL,

With respect. You are on my friends list. This is not the time or the place to ask what you are asking. Her friends are rightly furious about the email, many who disagreed with her are rightly furious about the email. Conjecture has no place here.

Please. Honor vols wishes on this.

  • 18 votes
#8.9 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:45 PM EST
MJL-3

Ian F Walter

MJL,

With respect. You are on my friends list. This is not the time or the place to ask what you are asking. Her friends are rightly furious about the email, many who disagreed with her are rightly furious about the email. Conjecture has no place here.

Please. Honor vols wishes on this.

I understand her friends being upset, I don't like the email either, I wouldn't wish that on anyone. But I would think people would respect me enough to know I am very honest.

I gave my truthful opinion and it was deleted.

As far as being on your friends list which I appreciate, I would hope you would extend the same courtesy to me that you would give Pat and at least allow me to give my opinion.

  • 15 votes
#8.10 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:51 PM EST
Ian F Walter

I said my truthful opinion and it was deleted.

Here is why I think you need to refrain, MJL. Any conjecture adds fuel to the fire. There are people here who care very much about pat, and the speculation you have offered just adds to the anger they feel. Their anger which is patently justifiable about this outrageous email. She shut down her column and left. People care about that. Deeply. They are angry about it. I don't doubt you voiced a truthful opinion. But I think conjecture, at this time, here, is deeply disrespectful. This is no place for that.

I absolutely believe Pat received that sick, @!$%#ed up email from a sick, @!$%#ed up person. Speculation otherwise--right now--is totally disrespectful.

I have seen enough disrespect lately. I have seen enough nasty, accusing, ridiculous comments. Have you? Then please. Let the speculation go for now.

  • 17 votes
#8.11 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:05 PM EST
MJL-3

I have seen enough disrespect lately. I have seen enough nasty, accusing, ridiculous comments. Have you? Then please. Let the speculation go for now.

Absolutely I have , I have been the target of them. So badly being attacked to the point I almost left myself

Then please. Let the speculation go for now.

Ok

  • 16 votes
#8.12 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:16 PM EST
Ian F Walter

being attacked to the point I almost left myself

I'm glad you didn't. I'm sure many others are glad you stayed. The vine doesn't need to lose good folks.

Ok

Thank you. Well done. Next time you talk me down? Okay? :0)

  • 12 votes
#8.13 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:19 PM EST
MJL-3

Ian

Ok :)

  • 7 votes
#8.14 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:21 PM EST
Shannoscubie

Her friends are rightly furious about the email, many who disagreed with her are rightly furious about the email.

And some of them are the same people.

  • 12 votes
#8.15 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:28 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

MJL...yours was not the only one deleted. I also deleted Elaine's for the same reason. Thank you, Ian, class act there. MJL has a good friend in you.

  • 13 votes
#8.16 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:50 PM EST
AZPADDY

Ian F. Walter

Claiming that conjecture has no pace on an article that is in fact, conjecture itself seems heavy-handed to me. MJL-3 has simply stated what she thinks is a possibility, and I happen to agree with that.

If this article is simply one big pity-party for PatN with no dissenting opinions allowed, then the author should have stated so in the beginning.

  • 19 votes
#8.17 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:51 PM EST
Ian F Walter

Thank you, Ian,

Right back at you, vol. But MJL deserves the credit there.

  • 10 votes
#8.18 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:53 PM EST
MJL-3

Thanks AZ and Ian :)

  • 12 votes
#8.19 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:57 PM EST
Ian F Walter

If this article is simply one big pity-party for PatN with no dissenting opinions allowed, then the author should have stated so in the beginning.

The author's intent was explained in explicit terms.

Conjecture about the origin of the email being directed at anybody--especially the victim--should, for reasons of simple common decency, be avoided. It is disrespectful to pat, the author, pat's friends, and anybody who cares about fairness. It is not appropriate for this specific venue. If you want to write an article accusing the victim or anybody else of sending the email, write one. But I would respectfully ask you to not do so here.

  • 12 votes
#8.20 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:23 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

I stated this right up front, AZ Paddy, twice...how did you miss it?

NOTE: Do not bring the drama of the other article over here. This is NOT about that...this is about a bully who sent a threatening email to another viner and forced Pat N to feel the need to close her account. You may feel free to address the person who did that, as they are a part of NV apparently, or if there is something you wish to say to Pat or about Pat that is not more of the same, feel free but any continuing drama from the other seed will be deleted. You have been warned.

  • 15 votes
#8.21 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:26 PM EST
Spikegary

Maggiemoo-you are exactly correct about my intent. Both of these folks are my friends and are on my friends list, though they are polar opposites in the political spectrum.

I understand her friends being upset, I don't like the email either, I wouldn't wish that on anyone. But I would think people would respect me enough to know I am very honest.

More than just friends should be upset by this-anyone with any sembelance of common decency should be incensed. Anyone that believes that Newsvine is a place to debate like adults shuld be incensed. If one is not, they should look inward to try to discover what is missing in the make-up of their personality.

  • 9 votes
#8.22 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:52 AM EST
Boudicea

Ian F Walter - I do not know you - have never encountered you, but after reading your last few posts, I am sending you a friend request.

  • 11 votes
#8.23 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:56 AM EST
Ian F Walter

Boudicea,

Happily accepted. Thank you.

  • 5 votes
#8.24 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:09 AM EST
AZPADDY

Ian F. Walter

With all due respect to PatN's freinds and PatN, your comments read more like a funeral director's comments to an unruly guest during services for "The dearly departed." I mean no disrespect, just voicing my opinion on the issue. I've denigrated no one, called no one names, nor have I committed any CoH violations, yet a comment of mine is deleted.

PatN hasn't died, she merely self-deleted, and I believe she'll be back sooner, rather than later.

No problems....no drama. I'll not comment further here.

  • 14 votes
#8.25 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:12 AM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

No problems....no drama. I'll not comment further here

Thank you.

  • 9 votes
#8.26 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:52 PM EST
Chuck1968Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

This is not the time or the place to ask what you are asking. Her friends are rightly furious about the email, many who disagreed with her are rightly furious about the email.

so no one should question it and we should all feel really sad at something that may or may not have happened. Just when is the right time, after everyone has decided that she was wronged regardless of if she has been?

and people who disagreed with her and are outraged still dont know either it is real or not either

explicitly stating you want no arguments from the beginning, states that you THINK you know the truth. You dont. nor does anyone else.

  • 16 votes
#8.27 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:37 PM EST
Bad Fish

I really hope that we find out which cute little newsvine blogger wrote this disgusting email. These type of people deserve to be publicly humiliated for the sacks of @!$%# that they are! Secret email tough guy? Another passive aggressive Internet coward raises their hand for the well deserved acknowledgement.

  • 17 votes
Reply#9 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:31 PM EST
Abby.

These type of people deserve to be publicly humiliated for the sacks of @!$%# that they are!

I would like to have the identity of this @!$%# to be published here as soon as they find out who it is!

  • 18 votes
#9.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:39 PM EST
Runner99

Me too.

  • 14 votes
#9.2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:46 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

ditto that!!

  • 14 votes
#9.3 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:26 PM EST
jen-793050

ditto!

  • 6 votes
#9.4 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:34 PM EST
formerstew

Moi aussie.

  • 5 votes
#9.5 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:18 PM EST
northern girl

Nail his balls to a stump and push him over backwards

  • 11 votes
#9.6 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:35 AM EST
drummerboy2011

Nail his balls to a stump and push him over backwards

What if it's NOT a guy though northern girl, hehehe.....

  • 11 votes
#9.7 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:21 AM EST
northern girl

The vertical smile could be nailed just as easily...;)

  • 10 votes
#9.8 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:29 AM EST
Abby.

Northern!
lolololololsnortlololol
I like how you think!
:D

  • 10 votes
#9.9 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:52 AM EST
Spikegary

northern girl,

Remind me to never piss you off. Thank God you're on my friends list...

  • 10 votes
#9.10 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:56 AM EST
Bad Fish

remembers to wear an athletic cup on northern girls articles from now on.

  • 10 votes
#9.11 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:05 AM EST
Sir Richard Owen

This whole Friends List thing is highly over rated. We've recently seen how it can be used as a weapon to hurt somebody.

I remember when Leo Katz unfriended me. It caused him to lose his "Connectedness" in more ways than one.

  • 7 votes
#9.12 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:19 AM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

Ouch, northern girl...

  • 5 votes
#9.13 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:24 AM EST
formerstew

Nail his balls to a stump and push him over backwards

Oddly enough, when I read this, I laughed exactly like Abby.'s post...

lolololololsnortlololol

...snort and all.

Then, of course I read Abby.'s post...and did it again.

  • 7 votes
#9.14 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:49 PM EST
Piletre

wow... That is a frightening email...

  • 13 votes
Reply#10 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:32 PM EST
Emmadadog

Reprehensible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have no other words to describe it.

I do so hope Pat reconsiders her decision. She always wrote with the emotional strength she felt. Even when, the times we disagreed, I always admired the pride she carried for her position.

Was it reported here, to NV? It should be a blatant and obvious violation of the CofH and no quarter should be given to the bullies that wrote it. Unfortunately, bullying is perfectly accepted by too many in our nation today.

My heart grieves for the loss of my friend here.

  • 13 votes
Reply#11 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:39 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

I did send this to the NV mods yesterday as soon as I saw it...

My heart grieves for the loss of my friend here

As does mine.

  • 10 votes
#11.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:27 PM EST
JM California

We are all supporting you, Pat. That vile person is isolated...he/she has no supporters.

If you happen to read this, I have little doubt that even those who have disagreed with you would condone that cowardly email.

I look forward to your return, when you are ready. Please don't allow one deranged individual to win by silencing your voice.

  • 13 votes
Reply#12 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:42 PM EST
Zero-

jm did i miss something here

  • 4 votes
#12.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:43 PM EST
JM California

capt.ace23

I'm not sure what you mean. If you are referring to this article...you sure did. Pat N was commenting on another article and received a threatening email (not through NV server). She posted it and then closed her column.

  • 12 votes
#12.2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:47 PM EST
Zero-

i see personally i recive threats all the time i tend to ignore them

well Pat good luck to ya

  • 10 votes
#12.3 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:55 PM EST
Runner99

You do?

  • 10 votes
#12.4 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:11 PM EST
NJ Person

To capt.ace23 who said, "i see personally i recive threats all the time i tend to ignore them"

You've been a NV member since January, 2012 and you've already received threats "all the time"? Very interesting.

By the way, cyberstalking and bias crimes go far beyond general bullying.

  • 15 votes
#12.5 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:17 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

By the way, cyberstalking and bias crimes go far beyond general bullying.

yes, they do and they are FEDERAL OFFENSES...

  • 14 votes
#12.6 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:29 PM EST
NJ Person

vol fan in chatt, tn -- Excellent article. Thank you for the links you provided. I bookmarked them.

  • 12 votes
#12.7 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:32 PM EST
Joanna Caroll

You've been a NV member since January, 2012

NJ Person, you're wrong in that statement you made about capt.ace23 . He/she has been a member since January, 2011. Based on your incorrect statement, your comment "very interesting" infers this user is less than forthright in claiming he/she has received threats.

An apology or at least an acknowledgement that you are wrong should be posted.

  • 17 votes
#12.8 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:10 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

You are correct, Joanna, about capt.ace. He has been here since Jan, 2011.That was probably an oversight, which I am sure she will correct...

  • 10 votes
#12.9 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:52 PM EST
NJ Person

I stand corrected about the year. Thank you, Joanna, for catching my error. OK now, I hope.

  • 9 votes
#12.10 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:51 AM EST
bore-head007

It is disgusting, and it was shocking when it appeared on the thread.

Shamefully cruel.

  • 12 votes
Reply#13 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:45 PM EST
Baron von Steuben

Classy. Not surprising though.

  • 10 votes
Reply#14 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:45 PM EST
Abby.

Vol,
Do you have Pat's email?
Could you ask her to come back?
Please reassure her that she has ALL of our support.

  • 12 votes
Reply#15 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:47 PM EST
MJL-3

Viki contacted Pat and Pat said it was time for her to leave the vine.

Maybe she will come back time will tell. Personally, I think she will

  • 13 votes
#15.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:01 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

Vol,
Do you have Pat's email?

I was hoping I did...but I can't locate it. But surely someone on here will contact her and tell her that people are wishing her well and hope she reconsiders.

  • 11 votes
#15.2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:31 PM EST
Viki Babbles Gonia

I have spoken with Pat. She appreciates everyone's good wishes. It's entirely up to her whether or not she wishes to come back. Maybe she will, maybe she won't. While I would hate to see a bully scare Pat, or anyone else, away from Newsvine, sometimes it's wise to step away, at least for a little while, when things get to that level.

vol fan, you're doing an excellent job moderating this thread and keeping it on topic, free of insinuations and theories, or having ugly business dragged into it. Good job. I hope users participating here will honor your wishes.

  • 19 votes
#15.3 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:32 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

Thank you, Viki. I really appreciate your kind comments, thoughts, and hearing that Pat is doing ok.

I have a question, if you don't mind...I will be gone most of the day tomorrow and I don't want this to divulge into a free-for-all, (but I felt it important enough to write this piece today after she suddenly quit the Vine yesterday). Would it be within the guidelines to disable comments while I am gone, until I can properly moderate it again sometime tomorrow afternoon? I have done that before on occasion, but it always seems to cause some consternation among some. Thanks.

  • 17 votes
#15.4 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:45 PM EST
Viki Babbles Gonia

You are perfectly within your rights to do so, and I think it would be wise. Commenting can resume once you're in a position to moderate, which it seems clear is necessary here.

  • 11 votes
#15.5 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:54 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

Thanks for the clarification....

  • 8 votes
#15.6 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:53 PM EST
Roy Batty

Pat, I know that you and I are rarely on the same page politically, but this kind of behaviour transcends common decency and I encourage you to reconsider.

Also, many suggestions have been made here ... starting with reporting to Tyler or Sally. I know from past observations they take this very seriously, and never hesitate to report illegal activities to the proper authorities.

This person is simply a terrorist. I know that he has hurt you, but don't let him win.

  • 18 votes
Reply#16 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:58 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

well said, Roy...and thank you.

  • 13 votes
#16.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:31 PM EST
HollyKl

That is horrible! Political disagreement on the vine is just that -- disagreement. Doesn't matter who you are or what your beliefs are, no one should ever have to be subjected to this kind of hateful nastiness. I will join the others here in hoping that Pat decides to come back. The *expletive deleted* who wrote that e-mail should not be allowed to chase her, or anyone else, away.

  • 16 votes
Reply#17 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:58 PM EST
etva

Agreed! If you're reading this, Pat, know that you have our support!

  • 12 votes
#17.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:54 PM EST
lib50

PatN, don't let this keep you away. We all need to fight this kind of thing.

  • 12 votes
Reply#18 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:59 PM EST
FreedomRanger

In my short life here, I've seen some nasty stuff but this is beyond the usual political banter. That email was a direct assault 0n another person, (Newsvine'er), and should be fully investigated by the authorities here and perhaps with the law. I don't really know the person who was so savagely attacked, but hope that she returns to this place and offers up another strong rebuttal, aside from the excellent one she did already. We must not allow 'sick' people to force us into exile, for they then become the winner and who ever wrote that vile note is indeed ill and should never, ever bear the feeling of having won a thing. I second the sentiment....SHAME ON YOU!

Thank you vol for writing this article. You are a true friend to Pat N and those who are offended.

What say you 'leaders of Newsvine".

  • 14 votes
Reply#19 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:03 PM EST
greg-709692

Vol, great article showing how hateful people can get.

To Pat N: Never give up, never give in. DA's "FOREVER" !!!!!

  • 15 votes
Reply#20 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:05 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

what Greg said...we (or is it 'us"?)DA's miss ya...

  • 12 votes
#20.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:32 PM EST
greg-709692

"we" sounds soooo much better, and sophisticated too vol. :)

PatN :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5-yKhDd64s

  • 8 votes
#20.2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:44 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

LOL...m&m, greg? (seriously, I thought that was his name for the longest time...can we spell "out of touch" to rap?)

I like the idea though...the one I linked above in the article was more my speed.

  • 9 votes
#20.3 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:01 PM EST
greg-709692

Hey, my kids say, when I listen to songs like that, I'm moving closer to "The Groove". :D

  • 6 votes
#20.4 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:23 PM EST
FlNutmegger

Isn't is strange how all of these weirdos gain such bravado behind the screen? Classic school yard bullying tactics and the dirty mouth to go with it. I am relatively new to the vine, and this sort of public discourse, but this strikes me as a new low. I surely hope that the moderators investigate and bring charges against the perp here for he/she has certainly earned a lot of public exposure for such disgraceful actions. Pat take a deep breath and then come back to your friends for there are a lot more of us tnan there are of the stinkers, don'tcha know?

  • 14 votes
Reply#21 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:06 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

Yeppers, and thank you!!

  • 10 votes
#21.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:01 PM EST
blue wolf

Pat, in my opinion, is a very partisan and not entirely truthful person.

But, whoever wrote this email is worse.

  • 24 votes
#22 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:06 PM EST
robynlewisTX.

My, my, my, such a lovely back-handed comment to make, blue wolf.

What difference does it make HOW partisan Pat is? I don't care if she has an alter of G.W.Bush in her house and prays to it 3 times a day. It doesn't excuse the filth that someone sent to her.

And how in hell do you know whether she lies or not? Ever spoken to her?

  • 26 votes
#22.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:50 PM EST
NJ Person

robynlewisTX. - I held back on commenting about that one ... and a couple of others. Glad you made yours.

  • 20 votes
#22.2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:53 PM EST
blue wolf

I have gone back and forth with Pat, yes.

I don't really care what you think of my opinion.

  • 20 votes
#22.3 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:02 PM EST
robynlewisTX.

NJ Person, yeah. It's like telling someone, "Well that man was a @!$%#ing @!$%#, but maybe he didn't deserve to be murdered AND dismembered."

I don't really care what you think of my opinion.

Ditto!

  • 17 votes
#22.4 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:04 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

really, blue wolf? Well everyone is entitled to their opinions, I suppose. Someone once said opinions are like bellybuttons - everybody has one. That is yours; but frankly, in my dealings with Pat, I have found her to be brutally honest and I appreciate that about her. She doesn't mince words, and says what she means and means what she says.

  • 19 votes
#22.5 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:06 PM EST
blue wolf

Seems as if you did care about my opinion.

I found her disingenuous at best.

  • 25 votes
#22.6 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:07 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

you said your piece, blue wolf...now move on.

  • 15 votes
#22.7 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:12 PM EST
blue wolfDeleted
MJL-3

vol fan in chatt, tn

you said your piece, blue wolf...now move on.

Wow , that was rude, You opened a article to beg Pat N to come back, Blue wolf gave his/her honest opinion and then get attacked for it.

But IMO, there was also another reason why she left.

  • 27 votes
#22.9 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:18 PM EST
FreedomRanger

Some people simply don't give a squat about decency. They have been so polluted by the partisanship of this place, they have lost track of the fact that we are all individual souls in a struggle to improve our country. When one is attacked, all are attacked. Set it aside for a second b wolf, you just might like yourself in the morning.

  • 18 votes
#22.10 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:19 PM EST
FlNutmegger

Is this a public forum, or do you need to hand pick people who are going to pat your darling on the head?

A cheap shot and I think that you knew it as you typed it, too.

  • 13 votes
#22.11 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:19 PM EST
blue wolfDeleted
Sir Richard Owen

blue wolf -- #22.3 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:02 PM PST

I have gone back and forth with Pat, yes.

When?

  • 17 votes
#22.13 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:32 PM EST
Elaine-1503791

sanctimoniously talk to me about decency when you all recant the vile things you've said about Obama, the left, progressives....endless list.

The same can be said about the vile things said on this site about GW Bush, the right, conservatives.....endless list.

This thread isn't about politics.

  • 16 votes
#22.14 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:37 PM EST
JM California

SRO, who cares when?

Lets not start debating pointless comments.

Everyone is united against the vile email sent to Pat. That's what matters.

  • 18 votes
#22.15 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:42 PM EST
blue wolf

Including the guy who doesn't like her.

  • 19 votes
#22.16 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:49 PM EST
robynlewisTX.

How do you know it was a guy and not a gal, who sent the email, blue wolf? Do you know something we don't?

  • 15 votes
#22.17 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:02 PM EST
blue wolf

Well I might know lots of things you don't Robyn, but as for your question, wtf are you talking about?

Methinks you didn't comprehend my post. Maybe your righteous indignation is leading you astray.

  • 21 votes
#22.18 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:09 PM EST
Global777

blue...

is a very partisan and not entirely truthful person.

You seem to have Pat confused with someone else. But we can discuss him another day...

  • 18 votes
#22.19 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:36 PM EST
Sir Richard Owen

JM California -- #22.15 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:42 PM PST

SRO, who cares when?

I'm just curious, when somebody with an account less than a month old makes a claim like that...

  • 16 votes
#22.20 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:53 PM EST
Global777

SRO...

Excellent Point!

  • 12 votes
#22.21 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:01 PM EST
Chasing

I haven't delved into whether they've tussled, but they've been on the same threads, anyway, and clearly they inhabit different points on the political spectrum.

  • 8 votes
#22.22 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:07 PM EST
Roy Batty

How do you know it was a guy and not a gal, who sent the email, blue wolf? Do you know something we don't?

You're right. Actually, I made the same assumption. But after rereading the email, it really wasn't a valid assumption to make.

  • 8 votes
#22.23 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:19 PM EST
Joanna Caroll

I'm just curious, when somebody with an account less than a month old makes a claim like that...

Actually, blue wolf is simply a new name, new account. Not a re-reg.

  • 13 votes
#22.24 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:22 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

Sheeze, I leave for a few hours and crap breaks loose. I warned you Blue Wolf - 22. 10 and 22.12 off topic - deleted. You don't agree, feel free to appeal to the Mods.

  • 12 votes
#22.25 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:30 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

thank you for the clarification, Joanna.

MJL, not trying to be rude, but I could see where blue wolf was heading...trying to head it off at the pass...but, alas....

  • 11 votes
#22.26 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:37 PM EST
Global777

Joanna...

Actually, blue wolf is simply a new name, new account. Not a re-reg.

How can you be certain?

  • 11 votes
#22.27 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:43 PM EST
Joanna Caroll

How can you be certain?

Because he said so. He gave his old name, the reason for the change, and showed his long-form birth certificate.

  • 23 votes
#22.28 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:55 PM EST
Sir Richard Owen

He gave his old name, the reason for the change,

Where did that happen?

  • 11 votes
#22.29 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:05 PM EST
JM California

Good point, SRO. I did not know blue wolf is new.

Thank you and my apology.

  • 5 votes
#22.30 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:06 PM EST
Joanna Caroll

Where did that happen?

Very recently. Like I said, on another article.

  • 12 votes
#22.31 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:08 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

showed his long-form birth certificate.

can you give us a screenshot, Joanna? To satisfy everyone's curiosity, of course...J/K...ANOTHER ARTICLE...ok, got it. Thanks...

  • 11 votes
#22.32 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:09 PM EST
Joanna Caroll

To satisfy everyone's curiosity, of course...

Of course, hahaha :)

  • 9 votes
#22.33 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:11 PM EST
Runner99

Another viner did the same thing, but the history did not change. That does not make sense.

  • 10 votes
#22.34 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:16 PM EST
JACK DEATH

Another viner did the same thing, but the history did not change. That does not make sense.

I have seen it done before long before Sally came on board.

  • 8 votes
#22.35 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:21 PM EST
Global777

JM...

I did not know blue wolf is new.

I still don't...

  • 11 votes
#22.36 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:23 PM EST
Runner99

It wouldn't change your dates.

I have seen it done before long before Sally came on board

  • 9 votes
#22.37 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:24 PM EST
Joanna Caroll

That does not make sense.

It does make sense. And it's the same way Pat N will always be able to come back. Pat wasn't banned so she is free to establish a new account, new name, whatever. There are a number of viners who have done so. That you might not be aware of them, is no reason to think it doesn't make sense. It's not only about a name change. Examples: Dennis McCann, VP, CO and others

  • 13 votes
#22.38 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:27 PM EST
Runner99

It's not only about a name change.

I see.

  • 9 votes
#22.39 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:31 PM EST
Viki Babbles Gonia

Might I suggest that we refrain from making assumptions about why Pat may have decided to leave? The only person who could say that for certain, MJL-3, is Pat herself.

  • 21 votes
#22.40 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:37 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

thank you, Viki.

  • 13 votes
#22.41 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:48 PM EST
MJL-3

Viki,

Sure no problem.

  • 7 votes
#22.42 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:01 PM EST
Abby.

blue wolf
Contact This AuthorIgnore This AuthorAdd to FriendsAdd to WatchlistArticles Posted: 0
Links Seeded: 0Member Since: 1/2012Last Seen: 2/21/2012

Just to clear up any confusion, I copy/pasted this so that the blue wolf membership question is put to rest.
It was off topic anyway, & shouldn't have been brought up in the first place.
Now, back to the matter at hand.
I've tangled with Pat in the past, but she has my respect & she knows it.
(I suspect that she even knows that I like her.)
The big questions, imo,are will she come back?
(I hope so)
Will we be privy to the identity of the sleazebag that sent the email?
(again, I hope so)

  • 13 votes
#22.43 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:05 AM EST
Viki Babbles Gonia

Users are permitted to close their accounts and open new ones. We have several high-profile examples of this having been done in the past. It often happens when a user is suspended and wishes to start anew. They'll close their account post-suspension and start a new account. Sometimes users just wish to start anew, or perhaps be more anonymous.

  • 12 votes
#22.44 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:22 AM EST
MsAubrey

I'll just say that I'm in the minority here. There are a lot of people that I consider my friends and they have differing opinions about this mess than I do.

I've stayed out of the entire drama and plan to continue such. Just because I disagree with someone, doesn't mean I don't care. People that know me, know that. I have a right to think and feel as I do and no one has persuaded me to do so.

  • 7 votes
#22.45 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:37 AM EST
Santino42

I wonder - how many similarly threatening emails have been sent over the years to some of the most popular Vine contributors?

I'm sure Pat was not the first nor will she be the last to be harassed in such a manner.

  • 15 votes
#23 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:17 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

I dunno...I have only received a few...but never anything THAT vile.

  • 9 votes
#23.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:34 PM EST
Santino42

I dunno...I have only received a few...but never anything THAT vile.

As the phrase goes, "sticks and stones my break my bones but names will never hurt me." I thought the email was juvenile at best but also a good reminder as to why I rarely provide any of my personal information to anyone.

One way the cyber world of the Vine is similar to the regular world - there's plenty of psychos here too.

  • 14 votes
#23.2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:39 PM EST
Joanna Caroll

...I have only received a few...but never anything THAT vile.

I've received nasty e-mails but I've never read anything so hateful! And no name? No balls to go with that e-mail? So, we do know the sender is a coward. As much as I will miss Pat, she is, I'm sure, in good company on another site. I wish her well and hope she drops in from time to time....or daily. But I won't press her...yet. Anything being done about the sender of that letter? Can anything be done?

  • 8 votes
#23.3 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:45 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

I have reported it to the NV Mods and outside of Pat herself reporting it to the proper authorities, little can be done about it...but thanks for asking...

  • 9 votes
#23.4 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:40 PM EST
canary-in-the-coal-mine

no offense but somebody actually CHECKS their emails? I might check it if AND only if I get a message about being suspended for a while. Politically I found Pat a bit "obstinate" but then, that's a POT-KETTLE observation. I've never found ANYTHING in newsvine the equivalent of a "hill worth dying for" so I just ignore some folks (figuratively as well as literally)

Chacun a son gout. (without the prerequisite French accent marks, of course)

  • 7 votes
#23.5 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:39 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

no offense but somebody actually CHECKS their emails?

LOL, I do...

  • 6 votes
#23.6 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:54 PM EST
Santino42

And no name? No balls to go with that e-mail?

I'm fairly certain Pat blocked out the name and email address - not that it would've been legitimate contact info either way.

Anything being done about the sender of that letter? Can anything be done?

Even if Pat did decide to report it/do something about it - what would come of it? A fine for the sender...a restraining order....what? Sorry to ask a question in response to your question - just have no idea what positive results Pat would yield from pursuing the @!$%#.

LOL, I do...

I do too.

  • 10 votes
#23.7 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:35 PM EST
Ian F Walter

just have no idea what positive results Pat would yield from pursuing the @!$%#.

Depends, really, on the agency she reports it to. Some agencies are jumping all over this crap, some are still a little bit behind the times. But cyber-bullying is getting lots of well deserved attention these days. It's definitely, definitely a crime. It's also open to civil liabilities, which can be substantial.

  • 12 votes
#23.8 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:40 PM EST
Joanna Caroll

I'm fairly certain Pat blocked out the name and email address

Obviously this person has seen the discussion and could easily face this community. That he/she has not proves their cowardice. Re my question, 'what can be done about the sender of the e-mail', I mean strictly from NV's position. An e-mail like the one sent to Pat is more likely to reveal a user with a blemished history rather than a pristine record. The positive results would include seeing this person named and banned.

  • 4 votes
#23.9 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:06 AM EST
infrared

i am a bit curious how her private email address was exposed.

  • 6 votes
#23.10 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:11 AM EST
Santino42

But cyber-bullying is getting lots of well deserved attention these days.

If someone were to verbally say what was written to Pat face to face - would there be any case for criminal charges without any physical harm?

  • 7 votes
#23.11 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:14 AM EST
NJ Person

Physical harm plays no part. Verbal or physical attacks/threats ... same thing today. Please read the links that vol fan provided.

  • 10 votes
#23.12 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:25 AM EST
Santino42

Please read the links that vol fan provided.

I did. Wonder if any women who has had a restraining order placed on someone could chime in here - if it was easy to acquire and how effective it was.

  • 3 votes
#23.13 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:23 AM EST
mrsrachelm

Terroristic threats are taken VERY seriously these days

  • 9 votes
#23.14 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:38 AM EST
NJ Person

Santino - What the above email signifies is far more serious than needing a simple restraining order from some municipal judge. Terrorist, bias, and hate threats are FEDERAL CRIMES whether committed face-to-face or via electronic means.

What part of that is so difficult for you to understand??

  • 6 votes
#23.15 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:06 PM EST
Santino42

Terroristic threats are taken VERY seriously these days

Terroristic...did you make that up ;)? I like it.

Seriously though, I've always been under the impression that women who have to deal with stalking and/or restraining orders always have issues - issues getting and implementing them.

  • 4 votes
#23.16 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:08 PM EST
VerbalBarb

Obviously this person has seen the discussion and could easily face this community. That he/she has not proves their cowardice.

Can we be sure it's even a current member, though? You can still read NV after leaving, yes? You just can't respond. I'm sure there are people out there who are no longer members who would simply love to continue to stir the pot. And, let's face it, some of them have appeared to be less than kind, rational human beings.

  • 8 votes
#23.17 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:15 PM EST
canary-in-the-coal-mine

exposing an email is when the RESPONDER sends back a response thru the STANDARD EMAIL INSTEAD of IGNORING . The ACTUAL email registered in NV goes back as the header. NEVER respond to an email inquiry sent thru NV unless you want your secret identity revealed (of course, you COULD be a minimum of 3 deep in the trail - email registered thru a proxy, NV account established thru a proxy, NV ALWAYS run behind a proxy, NEVER ever expose ANYTHING - my time zone is set to ZULU for a REASON. Go ahead - TRY to track it - "A Nonny Moose" is a figment,a phantasm...)

When I'm out of the country and posting from a cafe I don't CARE since all they want is cash so since it's unlikely that I will EVER return allowing the IP to "show" is "unimportant"...

  • 2 votes
#23.18 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:33 PM EST
Santino42

Can we be sure it's even a current member, though?

Nope. Obviously it was someone who was familiar with Pat so at the very least a former member for sure.

And, let's face it, some of them have appeared to be less than kind, rational human beings.

Yep - I'm sure it happens all the time. Another re-reg another day.

  • 5 votes
#23.19 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:00 PM EST
Sammy-2678587

You guys email each other?

  • 4 votes
Reply#24 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:24 PM EST
Abby.

Some of us do.
:D

  • 5 votes
#24.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:48 AM EST
MsAubrey

That we do. ☺ Amongst other ways of communication. ☺

  • 3 votes
#24.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:03 AM EST
Bad Fish

I communicate via telepathy with several other viners. I don't always have a good reception so sometimes i have to climb cell phone towers while wearing my tinfoil hat.

  • 6 votes
#24.3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:05 AM EST
Miss_Diagnosed

I wondered what all that buzzing noise was.

  • 3 votes
#24.4 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:26 AM EST
mrsrachelm

ROFLMAO!!!

So you guys are the ones screwing with my television reception!

><

  • 7 votes
#24.5 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:40 AM EST
canary-in-the-coal-mine

Uncle Martin raises antennae...

  • 3 votes
#24.6 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:37 PM EST
merleliz

Bad Fish...try a coat hanger on the rabbit ears.

  • 5 votes
#24.7 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:54 PM EST
Miss_Diagnosed

I'm sad Pat didnt leave her column up. Hell, I've walked off for a few months at a time when I was frustrated before... but I left things open...

Sometimes we get a little fascinated with this world in an unhealthy way. It doesn't excuse the email by a long shot and I fully condemn the person who wrote such a short sighted message to someone else on the basis of a difference of opinion, but sometimes we have to stop beating dead horses and accept that everyone here is another human capable of being both wonderfully caring and horrendously violent.

I hope Pat N comes back, but if it is better for her to stay away, then I'm sure she can find peace in knowing that this world doesnt make or encompass her real world... and such interaction isnt worth her time if it leads to nothing of value in her life.

  • 9 votes
Reply#25 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:25 PM EST
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